VOTD: Steve Wozniak, Dan Kottke, And Andy Hertzfeld Dissect The Fact And Fiction Of 'Jobs'

Steve Jobs may not be around to tell us what's right or wrong about Jobs, but plenty of his former friends and colleagues are. That includes Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak, who's voiced his disappointment with the film's inaccuracies in the past.

Now, early Apple employee Daniel Kottke and Apple developer Andy Hertzfeld have joined Woz in an even more detailed two-hour discussion about the movie, hosted by Apple engineer John Vink. Hit the jump to find out how Woz actually got involved in the Homebrew Computer Club, what really led to Jobs's firing in 1985, and why they mostly think Pirates of Silicon Valley was the better Jobs film.

The panel picks over the film scene by scene, discussing what the show got right or wrong and explaining how things went down in real life. Unsurprisingly, they find that the movie conflated or flat-out invented certain events, shuffled around the chronology, and changed smaller details of bigger events.

One scene they took particular issue with was Jobs's departure from Apple. "The real situation was that the Mac failed terribly. Totally," Woz explained. "We built a factory to build 50,000 of them and we were selling 500 a month. Steve had cancelled projects because they could only sell 2,000 a month."

Woz also explained that a scene in which the movie's Jobs (played by Ashton Kutcher) has to drag the movie's version of Woz (played by Josh Gad) to the Homebrew Computer Club happened the opposite way in real life. "I pulled him to the club and showed him all the people around me," the real Woz said. "I'd been there since day one."

Nevertheless, Kottke, who served as a script consultant on Jobs, reported that the filmmakers "really did try very hard to get the history right," and believed that it "did a pretty good job of getting the emotional notes right" if not the actual events.

Hertzfeld seemed to disagree. "[The screenwriter] just had a superficial understanding," he said. "It was just a laundry list of incidents, as opposed to things that would show a deeper meaning."

Woz wasn't so enamored of the movie either, complaining that it didn't adequately show Jobs's thought process and charisma. The pair preferred Pirates of Silicon Valley, which they found to be just as well acted but much better written. For now, we can all just hope that Sony's version with screenwriter Aaron Sorkin will be better.